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       1. This ship was the Dutch frigate that Echeverz' Squadron

       captured near Cartagena, presumably engaged in contraband trade,

       and brought to Cartagena where it was confiscated and auctioned

       to Echeverz for 2,000 pesos. This price and the small number of

       crew on it would indicate that it was a very small frigate. The

1. (Continued).

       ship's name was Nuestra Senora de la Popa, alias La Galera

       according to Nancy, but I don't think that this was an alias as

       La Galera means the galley and small frigates were also called

       galleys in those days, as they could be both moved by sailor

       oars. So where Nancy saw mention of La Galera it wasn't an

       alias, but just a classification of the ship.

       We know nothing about her tonnage or measurements or

       number of cannon carried, if any. Her Captain was Juan Baptista

       Zaleme, the Pilot Mateo Bernardo, and 1st Mate was Pedro

       Echequia. She also carried an additional 15 officers and crew.

       We don't know if she carried any cargo between Cartagena and she

       might have just gone in ballast.

2.        Declaration of Captain Sebastian Mendez, Piloto Mayor of

       Nuestra Senora del Carmen, alias La Holandesa, of Echeverz

       Squadron, St Augustine, 7 August 1715.

He mentions all the ships being lost at Ayz in 28d 10m.

Real mix up here. The captured French frigate was named Nuestra

Senora del Carman, alias El Ciervo, etc., and we know that as

late as 12 Oct 1715 they were still claiming that there was no

news of the ship French Prize of Echeverz, so this could not be

the ship. The alias of La Holandesa could only mean a Dutch ship

and this does not rule out the possibility that although they

called Nuestra Senora del Carmen a French Prize that it

originally had not been Dutch built and thus called a Dutch ship.

However, I don't think so. (Me neither - JH)

Now the Dutch ship was named Nuestra Senora de la Popa

in Cartagena and Mendez called his ship Nuestra Senora del

Carmen. Now it is perfectly conceivable that Echeverz changed

it's name in Havana to Nuestra Senora del Carmen, which was also

the name of his Capitana. Remember that people named ships after

their patron saints in those days and, being very superstitious,

believed that this would give a ship more protection from the

dangers of a sea voyage.

We know right-from the beginning it was known that the

Dutch Prize was wrecked and since Mendez got to St Augustine at

such an early date, he had to have wrecked near the others and

sought permission from Salmon to go to st Augustine. I feel that

this Dutch Prize was Mendez ship. Since he mentions 28d 10m, I

believe-

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2. (Continued)

that this Dutch Prize might be Rathman's wreck close to shore,

which would fit in since it would be a small ship and might not

have been carrying any cannon.

3.        Echeverz to Mirallas, Palmar de Ayz, 24 Aug 1715.

Echeverz wrote two letters on this date and said he was

at the "Real de Nuestra Senora de la Popa". This would knock out

my belief that Echeverz changed the name of the ship in Havana

and also indicates that it was wrecked close to his own ship, as

he would not have traveled far from his own shipwreck it visit

such a small insignificant vessel. This knocks out my belief

about the ship being Rathman's as well. (Echeverz lived aboard

the staterooms of the Popa, which had washed completely up on

shore, during the salvage efforts. It probably is located

somewhere between Sandy Point and Rio Mar - JH).

4.        DURO, Armada Espanola, Vol VI, pp 121.

"La Holandesa of Echeverz Squadron was washed ashore".

       Note: This could certainly happen to such a light ship as the

       Dutch Prize.